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				<title>Ecma - a case study for vendor capture: Adam Farquhar misrepresented in this article.</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Phil Lello</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>157284</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>The quotes from the <a href="http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreader.asp?ArticleID=16059" >November 2005 article</a> are misleading. From the same article:</p> <blockquote> <p>Farquhar says that that effort is not directly related to the Open XML announcement: "Some people think we are adopting Microsoft formats as our standard for digital preservation. This is not right; we are striving to make sure that content we receive in MS formats will be preserved." He continued: "What format will we deliver? We deliver a lot of articles and in many formats. We deliver content in PDF, Office Open, ODF, TIFF —whatever format the customer wants."</p> </blockquote> <p>Until I read that, your article had given me the disturbing impression that the British Library was standardising on OOXML - essentially making MS Office their standard. In light of the quote I've used, I'm hopeful that they're just going to use it as a 'standard' they import from, much as OpenOffice imports from a variety of formats.<br /> I just hope that things haven't changed in the time sime then…</p> 
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				<title>20 good reasons to disapprove OOXML: Point 6</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-47944/20-good-reasons-to-disapprove-ooxml#post-137516</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Inigo</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>103402</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Your point 6 is factually wrong. GB-0634 was Ecma disposition 164. This was rejected at the BRM (the block "approve" voters were balanced by the block "disapprove" voters, and the results for that disposition were determined by the delegations that voted individually for or against it). See <a href="http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/open/09891.pdf">http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/open/09891.pdf</a> for confirmation.</p> <p>If you want to make a point about issues that were rejected, you might instead look at GB-0256 (Ecma disposition 782). This is the "filesize rounding to kilobytes" issue, and because the disposition was rejected, Office 2007's behaviour now conflicts with the standard.</p> 
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				<title>20 good reasons to disapprove OOXML: Re: NB&#039;s right to change its vote from Yes to NO</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-47944/20-good-reasons-to-disapprove-ooxml#post-130858</link>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>arebenti</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>36024</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p><strong>29 March!</strong> And they probably need to add technical reasons when they disagree, disapproval votes are not counted without technical reasons?!</p> <p>See also eg. <a href="http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&amp;objId=4230455&amp;objAction=browse&amp;sort=subtype">ISO/IEC directive I</a></p> <blockquote> <p>F.2.3 The period for voting and the conditions for approval shall be as specified in 2.6 for an enquiry draft and 2.7 for a final draft International Standard.</p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>2.7.3 A final draft International Standard having been circulated for voting is approved if<br /> a) a two-thirds majority of the votes cast by the P-members of the technical committee or subcommittee are in favour, and<br /> b) not more than one-quarter of the total number of votes cast are negative. Abstentions are excluded when the votes are counted, <strong>as well as negative votes not accompanied by technical reasons.</strong><br /> Technical reasons for negative votes are submitted to the technical committee or subcommittee secretariat for consideration at the time of the next review of the International Standard.<br /> 2.7.4 The secretariat of the technical committee or subcommittee has the responsibility of bringing any errors that may have been introduced in the preparation of the draft to the attention of the office of the CEO [i.e. not the national members that vote!] by the end of the voting period; further editorial or technical amendments are not acceptable at this stage.</p> </blockquote> <p>Which clearly shows that the voting rules discriminate against disapproval. Cmp who voted "Disapproval" is forced to participate in the BRM. What we found out in the September ballot was that many national bodies were not aware of the rules and false information about deadlines was spread.</p> <p>And voting needs to meet special <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080319130708601">new procedural requirements</a> this time again.</p> <blockquote> <p>1. they've added people you must email, and you must copy yourself, so <strong>just writing to Keith Brannon<sup class="footnoteref"><a id="footnoteref-995191-1" href="javascript:;" class="footnoteref" >1</a></sup> is no longer sufficient. You must add Maho Takahashi and Martine Gaillen as recipients of your email, and CC yourself.</strong><br /> 2. you have to have a specific subject line on your email: "Modification to the vote on DIS 29500 - Country (National Body/e.g. JISC)"<br /> 3. you have to mention the name of the sender in the email.<br /> 4. they also say <strong>you must inform ITTF of your intention to change your vote in writing by March 29</strong>.</p> </blockquote> <p>Groklaw comments:</p> <blockquote> <p><strong>New rules for changing your vote on OOXML. Yup. Like we didn't expect that.</strong> I know you don't want your votes to end up ignored, so here's what I think you have to do by March 29, …</p> </blockquote> <p>Yes, it is okay for ISO to approve a broken standard because you didn't follow their formalities. Or that Sweden gets no vote because of <a href="http://blog.openxp.net/2007/08/sis-retracts-its-ooxml-decision.html">usances on the national level which were dissolved by submitting no vote in the September ballot</a> (non-vote is different from an abstention and kicked Sweden out of the process!)</p> <p>Everyone is fine with these rules although many national members had problems to meet them and communicate them to their members. A great surprise was also that the BRM decided on its own procedures and O-members voted.</p> <p><strong>A little personal story</strong>: I didn't join my national committee and advised others against because I thought it would be sufficient to submit the technical comments to the professionals at the standard committee and a last minute join (in June or July 07?) just for this standard would play badly reputation wise. And after all why should my association invest money just to prevent an ISO stamp for a standard. I had no clue what would be acceptable practice in the ISO context! Or that a committee would approve a standard that is buggy when issues are filed.</p> <div class="footnotes-footer"> <div class="title">Footnotes</div> <div class="footnote-footer" id="footnote-995191-1"><a href="javascript:;" >1</a>. The responsible person that does have the chuzpa to cut off a telephone call from Benjamin.</div> </div> 
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				<title>20 good reasons to disapprove OOXML: Aim at technical people that want OOXML to become a consistent standard</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-47944/20-good-reasons-to-disapprove-ooxml#post-130387</link>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Some people at NBs voted for OOXML ("Yes with comments") because they want it to become a technically sound ISO standard, but they think that rejecting OOXML during fast-track process means rejecting it forever.</p> <p>These people could be convinced that the correct vote in March should be "No" with comments that OOXML must become a standard via conventional (non fast-track) process. This is the only technically correct way of voting _for_ a consistent OOXML standard (and _against_ the currently existing buggy draft).</p> 
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				<title>20 good reasons to disapprove OOXML: NB&#039;s right to change its vote from Yes to NO</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-47944/20-good-reasons-to-disapprove-ooxml#post-130248</link>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>There are several press releases on the Web that say: until March 31 those NBs that voted No in September can revert their vote to Yes. There is very little said that an NB can change its vote from Yes to No or from Abstain to No. I suggest that sites that advise to disapprove OOXML (including this site) should pay much more attention to promoting the NB's right to change its vote to NO. Articles regarding this right and reasons to use this right should be posted.</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: How Egypt voted Yes for open XML</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-18634/results-of-the-ooxml-ballot-of-2nd-september#post-116750</link>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I would like to report irregularity in Egypt as well. I heard that MS asked as much as its partner to join the Egyptian Organization for Standards committee. MS has used those partners to vote Yes without comments and successfully gained majority inside the committee. They imposed the retaining of last Sept Egypt's vote Yes whatever the result of BRM meeting. This is clearly unclean play that MS used in most countries like in Sweden and other countries.</p> <p>Please update this URL to reflect this information<br /> <a href="http://www.noooxml.org/ballotresults">http://www.noooxml.org/ballotresults</a></p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: En Peru Ignorancia+Corupcion = ...</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-18634/results-of-the-ooxml-ballot-of-2nd-september#post-73350</link>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Arturo Munive</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>54576</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Me da vergüenza decirlo pero en mi país ciertas veces por ignorancia y otras por la corrupción, el desarrollo se ve truncado. Creo ahora que la abstinencia de mi pais se debe mas a un tema de ignorancia, ojala se rectifique (si se puede hacer) en cuanto a la opinión pública aquí no se sabe nada de estándares encuestas nada.</p> <p>Solo por poner un ejemplo, ciertas (casi todas) las páginas del gobierno solo funcionan correctamente con Internet explorer, mas no con opera firefox konkeror etc.</p> <p>Triste pero cierto</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: It would be fine to see the same map with petition results.</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-18634/results-of-the-ooxml-ballot-of-2nd-september#post-69413</link>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>That would show the difference (if any) between the countries' representatives' position and its people. But that would be not a petition, but voting. Anyway that's easy to do by adding 'I support OOXML'/'I vote against'.</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Qué? Costa Rica aprobando un estándar a paga?!</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-18634/results-of-the-ooxml-ballot-of-2nd-september#post-68068</link>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Zephyrus</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>51301</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Ésto es el colmo, con tanta madre por el TLC y ahora resulta que aprobamos un estándar por el cuál hay que pagar!!!! Debe ser una mala broma!!</p> <p>… A ver si ésto se soluciona con un lindo Salacuartazo, porque según la Constitución cosas como los estándares deben estar al alcanze de todos y no para los pocos que puedan pagarlo!</p> <p>No al control!</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Sobre la emision del voto</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-18634/results-of-the-ooxml-ballot-of-2nd-september#post-67757</link>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Soy Argentino, y estoy muy en desacuerdo con la abstencion, creo como todos uds. que se deberia haber votado un rotundo no al OOXML, NO A MICROSOFT.</p> <p>Me gustaria saber quién se hace responsable por el voto emitido; que institucion, entidad, o lo que sea.</p> <p>Saludos.</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Why South America voted YES</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>United States has absolute control over the economy of all the South American countries. People in South America does not support Microsoft and their monopolistic strategies, but there's not much they can do. South American countries are run by corrupted politicians and business men, witch are controlled by the Americans, they are their puppeteers.</p> <p>Venezuela and Colombia, corrupted politicians and business men, shame on you!</p> <p>Argentina and Chile, cowards, shame on you!</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Re: Pilipinas!</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Yes its a celebration the Philippines voted NO!!</p> <p>NO = NO TO MICROSOFT, YES TO OPEN!!</p> <p>And LOL @ Cuba and Lybia doesn't want to submit their comments using the .doc format. HAHAHAHA</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Re: cuba y venezuela si? vamos...</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>necesitamos comunicarle de esto al CNTI <a href="http://www.cnti.gob.ve/cnti_docmgr/Home">http://www.cnti.gob.ve/cnti_docmgr/Home</a> y al MCT <a href="http://www.mct.gob.ve/publico/home/home.php">http://www.mct.gob.ve/publico/home/home.php</a> pero yaaaaaa. que es lo que esta pasando pues?</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Disculpen mi ignorancia.</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>En Mexico quien sera el indicado de emitir el voto por todos nostoros los mexicanos? si cae como todo lo demas en el senado el voto sera el mismo siempre ya que ni trabajan y de ser el CONACyT espero realmente se pongan las pilas para evitar el mas que evidente monopolio por parte de la ventanita.</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Pilipinas!</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It's good to see my country up there in the NO section, even if it isn't in bold.<br /> Ang saya-saya! :D</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Re: mexico Abstein.</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Mexico siempre ha sido cobarde en votaciones y siempre se abstiene en todo. Es parte de la "doctrina estrada" jajaja.</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: mexico Abstein.</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>o.0<br /> que pasa con mexico..<br /> me duele ser mexicano y decir que no allamos ya votado por NO .. al standar ..u.U<br /> sin duda problematica del pais..<br /> pero pues ya he dado mi voto en contra del standar :)</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Ojo</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-18634/results-of-the-ooxml-ballot-of-2nd-september#post-47912</link>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Primero…. el decreto 3390 habla solo de los entes gubernamentales (privados usan lo q quieran), ademas NORMA O ESTANDAR (que son los que redacta ISO) son de aplicacion voluntaria…y cuba voto si.</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Esperemos que Peru tambien diga NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Esperemos que asi como algunos vecinos dijeron NO, Peru siga el ejemplo y de una abstencion pase a un NO Rotundo.</p> 
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				<title>Results of the OOXML Ballot of 2nd September: Miren bien</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Ecuador dijo NO a OOXML afortunadamente</p> 
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