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				<title>The preferred document exchange among European Institutions is OOXML: The preferred document exchange among European Institutions is OOXML</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>&quot;The preferred document exchange among European Institutions is OOXML&quot;, this is the summary of an <a href="http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/informatics/oss_tech/pdf/2011-07-25_ares.pdf">awful document</a> produced by the &quot;Inter-Institutional Committee for Informatics&quot; of the European Institutions. Basically the document says that European bureaucrats use Microsoft Office everywhere on their desktop, and this is not gonna change. Here is the document in full:</p> <blockquote> <p>Ref. Ares(2011)808658 - 25/07/2011</p> <p>Inter-Institutional Committee for Informatics</p> <p>Conclusions on document exchange<br /> formats following the discussion on office<br /> automation platforms</p> <p>The mandate of the Inter-Institutional Committee for Informatics (hereafter “CII”)<br /> includes, on the one hand, the exchange of information about the IT policies of the<br /> Institutions represented in it (hereafter “the Institutions”) and, on the other hand, the<br /> identification and encouragement of potential areas of synergy.<br /> In this context, during its meeting held in Brussels on 14 December 2010, the CII held a<br /> discussion about the current situation of, and the future strategies for, the office<br /> automation platforms used by the Institutions, based on a survey distributed ahead of the<br /> meeting and filled in by all the Institutions as well as by 15 additional EU Agencies<br /> (hereafter “the survey”).<br /> In addition, in order to initiate and facilitate the discussion, the Commission delivered a<br /> presentation of its project “Next Office Automation Platform” (NOAP).<br /> The main findings of the survey were the following:</p> <p>(1) At present, the <strong>EU institutions typically run Microsoft-based solutions on the<br /> corporate desktop</strong>, as their office productivity suite, on the e-mail platform side,<br /> and on the collaborative platform, although diversity is certainly higher in the<br /> latter.</p> <p>(2) All respondents indicated their expectation <strong>to remain on Microsoft-based<br /> platforms in the office automation realms mentioned above for the foreseeable<br /> future (i.e. for the 2 years to come)</strong>.</p> <p>(3) The revisable document formats used at present are <strong>mostly Office 2002/2003<br /> formats (84% of replies)</strong>. The expected <strong>prevailing document format for the future<br /> is Office Open XML (68% of replies)</strong>.</p> <p>(4) The Internet browser offering is already diversified at present, with a strong OSS<br /> presence (Firefox) alongside Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser, and this<br /> offering will become increasingly diversified in the years to come.</p> <p>The discussion showed the following:<br /> – A decision is due on what how revisable document exchange format should evolve in<br /> the future. Indeed, Microsoft Office 2003 with Office 97 compatibility, the format<br /> currently used for inter-institutional exchanges, as well as the most widely used<br /> internally in the Institutions, is outdated.<br /> – Standards have since been adopted by standardisation bodies in this area, as well as in<br /> the area of non-revisable document formats.</p> <p>– Irrespective of the migration intentions of each of the Institutions, there is now a high<br /> expectation both internally and externally that document exchange formats should be<br /> based on standards.<br /> Following the discussion held during the meeting, the Institutions agreed that a common<br /> approach to revisable and non-revisable document exchange formats was advisable.<br /> This common approach can be summarised as follows.</p> <p>1.<br /> Exchanges with the external world.</p> <p>1.1.<br /> As a general rule, non-revisable document formats should be preferred. In<br /> this area there are two standards, both of which are implemented by a large<br /> variety of viewing tools, including Open Source Software (OSS). The PDF<br /> (ISO/IEC 32000-1:2008) is a widely used official standard. However, for<br /> archiving purposes, the second standard PDF/A (ISO 19005-X) offers some<br /> advantages. It is recommended to use at least one of the two ISO standards<br /> for non-revisable document formats.</p> <p>1.2.<br /> In cases where documents have to be exchanged using revisable document<br /> formats, the principle to be applied by analogy is the same as when dealing<br /> with multilingualism. Citizens and the Institutions’ partners (e.g. Member<br /> States) should be put at the centre, and the Institutions should take all<br /> appropriate measures to be able to provide them with documents in the<br /> standard format of their choice.<br /> The minimum requirement is to support XML-based revisable document<br /> formats standardised by the International Organization for Standardization,<br /> namely:<br /> – Open Document Format for Office Applications, or ODF (ISO/IEC<br /> 26300:2006).<br /> – Office Open XML, or OOXML (ISO/IEC 29500:2008).<br /> In addition, the Institutions are encouraged to support, on a best effort basis,<br /> other widely used document formats.<br /> Whenever multiple formats are supported, equal quality may not be<br /> guaranteed.</p> <p>2.<br /> Interinstitutional exchanges.<br /> 2.1.</p> <p>As far as non-revisable document formats are concerned, there is no<br /> reason to depart from the format recommended for exchanges with the<br /> external world. Therefore it is recommended to use at least one of the two<br /> ISO standards (ISO/IEC 32000-1:2008 or ISO 19005-X).</p> <p>2.2.<br /> As far as revisable document formats are concerned, XML-based<br /> international standards are the preferred approach. Given the fact that:</p> <p>2<br /> – on the one hand, <strong>OOXML is much more widely used than ODF at the<br /> moment, and this situation is not likely to evolve in the foreseeable<br /> future</strong>; and<br /> – on the other hand, all the Institutions plan to migrate to office automation<br /> platforms which will produce XML files natively while providing 100%<br /> native <strong>support for legacy formats</strong> such as Office 2003,<br /> <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the preferred document exchange among the Institutions is OOXML</span></strong>.<br /> 2.3.</p> <p>The guidelines given above should not become an impediment for achieving<br /> even greater administrative efficiency through interinstitutional cooperation. In particular:<br /> – where, for legal or other purposes, a non-revisable document must be<br /> regarded as the official version, the Institutions should, where necessary,<br /> exchange also its revisable version;<br /> – where, for technical reasons, an Institution needs a revisable document in<br /> its native format, the originating Institution should provide it in that<br /> format, in addition to the official exchange format (if different);<br /> – where, for legal or other reasons, a closed group of users is established,<br /> specific arrangements can be made.</p> <p>The Institutions agreed to take the appropriate measures so that, at the end of their<br /> ongoing or future migration projects, they can implement this common approach in an<br /> efficient and fully synchronised manner.</p> </blockquote> 
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				<title>Embarrassing details from South America: Re: Embarrassing details from South America</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I can't say I am surprised by this, just disgusted. Luckily, there are now good alternatives to MS Office. Most of them are free, and all of them are based on ODF, a good standard that is both implemented to spec and actively maintained, neither of which can be said for OOXML. It's bad, still unimplemented as written and has been left to rot.</p> <p>Some time soon, MS-centric government officials will no longer be able to pretend that MS Office implements the ISO standard, and it will no longer be eligible for procurement contracts. Microsoft has been losing on almost all other fronts recently, and their flagships seem destined to go down with the rest of the fleet under the command of a seriously misguided and deeply corrupt management. I think it is time for MS to drift into oblivion and leave the market to other players who might not be quite as rotten to the core.</p> 
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				<title>Embarrassing details from South America: Embarrassing details from South America</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>A few days ago we were made aware of recent mass leaks of US embassy cables to the media but were reluctant to spread the story. You often get forwarded leaked documents in Brussels and it makes you feel bad for our administration. I wouldn't want to read diaries of my close friends. I don't like the vigilante narration of the Wikileaks service. We also didn't mention that the terrorist Brevik spread his &quot;2083: A European Declaration of Independence&quot; <a href="http://www.kevinislaughter.com/2011/anders-behring-breivik-is-this-the-e-mail-he-sent-to-friends-with-2083-manifesto/">in docx format</a> (Yes, we do remember the Oslo situation), and how - around 2003 - a certain company supported a journo-lobbying service that spread <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20030904181637/http://www.techcentralstation.com/082803M.html">anti-muslim hate propaganda in Europe</a>. Sometimes things are too embarassing, not worth to talk about. The cable about the Brazilian lobbying effort falls into the same category&#8230; Secrecy is useful as it shields the dignity of the office.</p> <p>Brazilian Open XML debate veteran <a href="http://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.html">Homembit comprehends</a> (<a href="http://homembit.com/2011/09/ataque-de-microsoft-a-la-soberania-nacional-brasilena-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-y-openxml.html">es</a>) the fraternisation:</p> <blockquote> <p>A few days ago we were all surprised by a document leaked at CableGate, exchanged between the US embassy in Brazil and the American Government in 2007. According to this cable, Microsoft made serious accusations against the Brazilian government, and&#8230;, they indirectly asked for an intervention of the American Government to halt the spread of ODF in Brazil, to win the Brazilian support for the approval of OpenXML in ISO, to halt the partnership between the Brazilian technical committee and other committees discussing the international standard at that time, to reduce the influence of Brazil in the international debate on OpenXML, and also to accuse the Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Brazilian Presidency’s Civil House of being anti-Americans.</p> </blockquote> <p>Jan Wildeboer of Redhat comments:</p> <blockquote> <p>We all knew that MSFT would fight hard against ODF. But calling it an un-american standard? Geez.</p> </blockquote> <p>I don't know if the Brazilian government was pro-American or not. What felt offensive to me was the attempt to depict technical criticism of the format as a way to &quot;<strong>discredit</strong>&quot; it. Actually that is quite a distortion of the facts. The format was formally not ready for adoption and technical defects were brushed away by stuffing committees. The diplomats also had their difficulties to understand the difference between adoption of a data exchange format and procuring a software solution. Other foreign offices, among them Brazil and Germany, had better recommendations than a hapless co-existence idea.</p> <p>US citizens and corporations would figure out why the US embassy was turned into a solutions provider abroad. The amount of cooperation between sales representatives and diplomacy is surprising and does not suit the dignity of their office. Disgusting.</p> <p>Please read <a href="http://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.html">Homembit's article</a> for a Brazilian SSO inside perspective.</p> 
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				<title>ECMA standard to be supported in Australia: ECMA standard to be supported in Australia</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/245276,australia-mandates-microsofts-open-office-xml.aspx">Australia is looking into OOXML adoption</a> while other nations move forward with ODF. What's special about the Australian move is that they want to support the ECMA format. It is hard to understand how the Whole-of-Government Common Operating Environment (WofG COE) Policy would strengthen procurement powers of the Australian public sector and help to overcome lock-in.</p> 
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				<title>Europe wants an open document exchange format: Europe wants an open document exchange format</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Today the European Parliament plenary adopted a report on completing the internal market for e-commerce prepared by Spanish rapporteur Pablo Arias Echeverría (EPP). The reports highlights the importance of an open document exchange format for electronic business interoperation and calls on the European Commission to take concrete steps to support its emergence and spread. It also highlights other European interoperability concerns.</p> <p>See the <a href="https://press.ffii.org/Press%20releases/European%20Parliament%20wants%20Open%20Document%20exchange%20format%20for%20electronic%20business">FFII press release: European Parliament wants Open Document exchange format for electronic business</a> for further details.</p> <p>You can <a href="http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/news">subscribe to FFII news</a> to receive them per mail.</p> 
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				<title>Money makes the Wikipedia go round: Money makes the Wikipedia go round</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The Open XML process is a great case study why Wikipedia is not always reliable, when money comes into play. Even before the heated phases of the Open XML discussions at ISO a scandal rocked the Wikipedia scene. Rick Jelliffe disclosed in his blog that he was offered money by a company to edit the Open XML article. At that is exactly how this article looks until this very day, a honeypot for young wikipedians who want to watch the dirty tricks.</p> <p>Throughout the controversial phases the editing process demonstrated a clear bias of professional editors towards a certain corporate agenda and pushed the Open XML article towards a "shadow article" as a target, close to advertisement. So regardless what was changed by the 'ordinary guys' would be reversed, step by step.</p> <p>Now the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Office_Open_XML&amp;action=historysubmit&amp;diff=379112152&amp;oldid=377207769">Open XML controversy</a> is gone. We have to understand that a lot of money is at stake. Consider that the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/aug/26/local-government-spending-open-standards-saving">Council could save 50 Million Pounds</a> by shifting to ODF and open source. And that is just a tiny example.</p> 
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				<title>Binary Format Plugfest in October: Re: Binary Format Plugfest in October</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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				<title>Binary Format Plugfest in October: Binary Format Plugfest in October</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The Open XML slugfest at ISO is over, governments around the world select ODF for document interoperability. But the proprietary binary office productivity file formats are still widespread. Former Open XML evangelist Doug Mahugh announces a "Binary Format Plugfest" for October 18/19:</p> <blockquote> <p>Microsoft subject matter experts from both the support organization and the product team will be onsite to answer questions about the Binary File Formats. This Plugfest will be a great opportunity for you to test your [Binary File Format]BFF implementations and receive immediate feedback and assistance from Microsoft.</p> </blockquote> <p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dmahugh/archive/2010/08/18/binary-file-format-plugfest.aspx">http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dmahugh/archive/2010/08/18/binary-file-format-plugfest.aspx</a></p> 
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				<title>Mandatory Use of State Document Format ODF in Indonesia: Mandatory Use of State Document Format ODF in Indonesia</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><em>"After all of the computers in government agencies will be migrated to Open Source in late 2011, the government also plans to migrate all the important documents of the country using open document formats (Open Document Format / ODF).<br /> "We chose to switch to open formats like ODF because no dependence with a vendor," said Ashwin Sasongko, DG Applications and Telematics Ministry of Communications and Information Technology. "</em></p> <p>Source: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=id&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.detikinet.com%2Fread%2F2010%2F07%2F28%2F151112%2F1408538%2F398%2Fdokumen-negara-wajib-gunakan-format-odf%2F%3Fi991103105">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=id&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.detikinet.com%2Fread%2F2010%2F07%2F28%2F151112%2F1408538%2F398%2Fdokumen-negara-wajib-gunakan-format-odf%2F%3Fi991103105</a></p> 
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				<title>Reform or not reform?: Re: Reform or not reform?</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>As far as I can see the ISO/IEC format is not implemented. According to<br /> <a href="http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/it-business/services-sourcing/news/index.cfm?newsid=20517">http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/it-business/services-sourcing/news/index.cfm?newsid=20517</a><br /> implementation will depend on customer demands.</p> <p>It seems better to make up your mind about the future of Opendocument and how to improve interoperability of implementations.</p> 
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				<title>Reform or not reform?: Reform or not reform?</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>ISO and other standards bodies did not learn from the OOXML debate. Reform of ISO is pending to allow more fast tracked standards from ECMA.</p> <p>I doubt reform is possible.</p> <p>Others might have a different opinion:</p> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><a href="http://www.noooxml.org/local--files/vinje/100620101268.jpg"><img src="http://www.noooxml.org/local--resized-images/vinje/100620101268.jpg/medium.jpg" alt="100620101268.jpg" class="image" /></a></div> <p>Thomas Vinje, the lawyer of ECIS, raised the issue at the recent OpenForumEurope (OFE) Summit (the one where Neelie Kroes praised "open" standards) of compatibility of the OOXML ISO specification with the procurement directive, which forbids product naming and platform dependencies. This is indeed an interesting question that needs to be investigated. Does OOXML still has platform dependencies? If yes, what would happen if the specification is required in a public tender?</p> 
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				<title>Alan Bryden in Brussels: Alan Bryden in Brussels</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Andy Updegrove has some comments on Brown's article<br /> <a href="http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20100401074623393">http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20100401074623393</a></p> <p><em>"It’s not easy to look back at decisions that you helped to form and conclude that they may have been ill-conceived, or at least bad bets. I applaud Alex for the candor that he shows in this blog entry, and for sharing the details that only first-hand participants in the ongoing OOXML maintenance process would know."</em></p> <p><em>"Which leaves, of course, one question remaining: with no general awareness of the facts, will Alex’s blog entry drop like a pebble into the pond of the Internet, leaving few, if any ripples? Or will others pick up on it? "</em></p> 
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						 <p>Alex Brown, the convener of the 2008 Ballot Resolution Meeting, on the status of the MS-OOXML standard (ISO/IEC 29500) and how Microsoft has lived up to its commitments. I guess no-one here is surprised (also Brown genuinely is, it seems), that things do not look well:<br /> <a href="http://www.adjb.net/post/Microsoft-Fails-the-Standards-Test.aspx">http://www.adjb.net/post/Microsoft-Fails-the-Standards-Test.aspx</a></p> <p><em>"Danish expert and BRM delegate Jesper Lund Stocholm, running an analysis of Office 2010 files wrote: “It has been the fear of many that Microsoft will never, ever care at all about the strict conformance clause of ISO/IEC 29500, and my tests clearly [are] a sign that they were right.”"</em></p> <p><em>"Most worrying of all, it appears than Ecma have ceased any proactive attempt to improve the text, leaving just a handful of national experts wrestling with this activity. It seems to me that Microsoft/Ecma believe 95% of the work has been done to ensure the standard is “useful and relevant”. Looking at the text, I reckon it is more like 95% that remains to be done, as it is still lousy with defects."</em></p> 
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						 <p>This is really insane. All of those terms were written by Redmond's lawyers, and the European Commission just put a stamp on it.</p> 
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						 <p><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2009/dec09/12-16Statement.mspx">16 Dec 2009; Microsoft Statement on European Commission Decision</a></p> <blockquote> <p>(17) Office Open XML. The “.docx, .xlsx and .pptx” file formats used in the Office 2007 version of Microsoft’s Primary PC Productivity Applications shall <strong>implement the ECMA 376 Specification</strong>. This commitment shall apply to successor versions of Microsoft’s Primary PC Productivity Applications with respect to IS 29500. This means that Microsoft shall support the relevant standard and provide a warranty as specified in the general provisions in Section B.I of this Undertaking, <strong>effective 1 January 2010</strong>.</p> <p>(18) Microsoft <strong>shall publicly document Additional Information for the ECMA 376 Specification</strong> that meets the requirements of paragraph (15) above. This commitment shall apply to successor versions of Microsoft’s Primary PC Productivity Applications with respect to IS 29500. Microsoft shall provide a warranty as specified in the general provisions in Section B.I of this Undertaking, effective 1 January 2010.</p> </blockquote> <p>So Paragraph 15 seems interesting:</p> <blockquote> <p>(15) This paragraph describes how Microsoft shall implement paragraphs (16) to (18) and Section 2.2. Microsoft shall make Interoperability Information available to interested undertakings relative to file formats used by Microsoft Office Word, PowerPoint and Excel that allows third-party Software Products to open, manipulate, save, exchange and share documents created by Microsoft’s PC Productivity Applications <strong>without a loss of container structure information</strong> or any instructions in the file that describe the document's formatting characteristics. For these purposes, file formats are understood as containers to hold data created by users of those Microsoft’s PC Productivity Applications and information describing associated properties of that data, and the Interoperability Information in the foregoing sentence <strong>does not include information about the functionality of these applications</strong> or the underlying operating systems that could be used to clone or port Microsoft products in whole or in part.</p> </blockquote> <h1><span>Now the patent pledge for open source… developers!</span></h1> <blockquote> <p>Patent Pledge for Open Source Developers</p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>Microsoft irrevocably promises not to assert any Microsoft Necessary Claims against you <strong>as an open source software developer</strong> ("You") for making, using, importing, or distributing any implementation of the Technical Documentation ("Covered Implementation"), subject to the following. This is a personal promise directly from Microsoft to You, and You acknowledge it is a condition of benefiting from it that no Microsoft rights are received from suppliers, distributors, or otherwise <strong>by any other person in connection with this promise</strong>. <strong>To benefit from this promise</strong>, you must be a natural or legal <strong>person participating in the creation of software code for an open source project</strong>. An "open source project" is a software development project the resulting source code of which is freely distributed, modified, or copied pursuant to an open source license and is <strong>not commercially distributed</strong> by its participants. <strong>If You engage in the commercial distribution</strong> or importation of software derived from an open source project or if <strong>You make or use such software outside the scope of creating such software code</strong>, You <strong>do not benefit from this promise for such distribution or for these other activities</strong>.<br /> To clarify, "Microsoft Necessary Claims" are those claims of Microsoft-owned or Microsoft-controlled patents that are <strong>necessary to implement the Technical Documentation</strong>. … Where a software development project has in all other respects the characteristics of an open source project, distribution <strong>among the participants</strong> of that project of source code developed by natural persons under an employment contract or by natural or legal persons under a contract to develop <strong>is not considered to be commercial distribution</strong>, and that software development project does not lose its character as an <strong>open source project merely because such distribution takes place among participants</strong>. Software is deemed to be commercially distributed within the meaning of this promise when the distributor derives revenues in connection with the distribution, such as from subscriptions, updates, or user-based connection fees or from services that are contractually required for a customer to obtain the current version and/or updates of the software product in question.<br /> This promise is not an assurance either (i) that any of the Microsoft-issued patent claims cover a Covered Implementation or are enforceable or (ii) that a Covered Implementation would not infringe on patents or other intellectual property rights of any third party. No other rights except those expressly stated in this promise shall be deemed granted, waived, or received by implication, exhaustion, estoppel, or otherwise.</p> </blockquote> <p>I wonder how much fun Brad Smith and his colleagues had with this…</p> 
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