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				<title>How many bricks for 67Bricks?</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-49516/how-many-bricks-for-67bricks</link>
				<description>Inigo Surguy, the 67Bricks Chief Technologist, was appointed Principal UK Expert in Microsoft’s Office Open XML (OOXML) document format by the British Standards Institute technical committee responsible for British and international XML standards. 67Bricks is part of the Microsoft Empower programme. So How many bricks for 67 Bricks?</description>
				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <div class="image-container floatright"><img src="http://www.pmb-management.co.uk/images/bricks.jpg" alt="bricks.jpg" class="image" /></div> <p>Inigo Surguy, the <a href="http://www.xmlopen.org/ooxml-wiki/index.php/User:Inigo.surguy">67 Bricks Chief Technologist</a>, was <a href="http://67bricks.com/wp/2008/02/04/67-bricks-chief-technologist-appointed-principal-uk-expert-in-ooxml/">appointed</a> Principal UK Expert in Microsoft’s Office Open XML (OOXML) document format by the British Standards Institute technical committee responsible for British and international XML standards.</p> <p>67Bricks is part of the <a href="https://partner.microsoft.com/40011351">Microsoft Empower programme</a>.</p> <p>Surguy has voted <strong>for OOXML</strong> at the latest BSI Technical Committee, according to leaks.</p> <p>How many bricks for 67 Bricks?</p> 
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				<title>Please help me understand the basics</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-48063/please-help-me-understand-the-basics</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I have been reading the headlines, and it smells like a scam to me. But, with my limited knowledge of the process, I can not say for sure. I have tried reading some articles on wikipedia, but there are still some things that I don't understand.</p> <p>Who gets to vote? As I understand it, only the 157 member bodies get to vote. These are call "P" members or participating national bodies, correct? But, I seem to remember reading something about P-members coming out of the woodwork just to support Microsoft on the OOXML standard, and that these P-members are all Microsoft partners. How can this be?</p> <p>What is the significance of the ECMA? I have read that the ECMA was actually created by Microsoft, for Microsoft, and is composed of Microsoft partners. Why would ISO recognize such a committee, and why don't Microsoft competitors contest the existence of such an obvious self-serving organization? What sort of clout does the ECMA have?</p> <p>What are the standards for "fast-tracking?" I have read that fast-tracking is used to speed the processing of standards that are essentially uncontested. I have also read that fast-tracking was created by the ECMA specifically to help Microsoft push OOXML through the ISO - and it is not used for anything else.</p> <p>Is there any clear evidence of Microsoft bribery, or ballot-stuffing, or otherwise breaking the rules, or corrupting the process? For example, I remember reading something about Microsoft bribing some official in Sweden.</p> <p>I have about an incident where those who might not support the OOXML standard where not allowed to vote because there where not enough chairs, or the room was full, or something. If this did happen, then that is clearly not fair. Can anybody file a complaint? Or does Microsoft control everything?</p> 
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				<guid>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-47815</guid>
				<title>Differences between Mac and Windows Office implementations of OOXML</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-47815/differences-between-mac-and-windows-office-implementations-of-ooxml</link>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>An OOXML supporter told me that OOXML is implemented in Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac.<br /> As I had earlier read in a thread about Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac <a href="http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-15696/ooxml-too-difficult-for-mac-office-developers">Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac</a></p> <p>I have found other people talking about the implementation of OOXML on other platforms:<br /> Microsoft Pushes Back Launch Date For Office 2008 For Mac Software<br /> <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201202566">http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201202566</a></p> <p>But I could not find specific issues reported. Like on the Mac, the bullet list is stored this way, on Windows it is stored this other way. Or differences in interpreting the colour markings.</p> 
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				<guid>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-41456</guid>
				<title>ZDnet Asia: Developers warned over OOXML patent risk</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-41456/zdnet-asia:developers-warned-over-ooxml-patent-risk</link>
				<description>Academics say developers should be cautious following confusion over which parts of the OOXML specification are covered by Microsoft&#039;s &quot;covenant not to sue&quot;.</description>
				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><a href="http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62037862,00.htm">http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62037862,00.htm</a></p> 
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				<guid>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-40288</guid>
				<title>WSJ: Microsoft&#039;s Office Push Scrutinized by EU</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-40288/wsj:microsoft-s-office-push-scrutinized-by-eu</link>
				<description>European regulators are examining whether Microsoft Corp. violated antitrust laws during its push to get fast-track acceptance of  MS-OOXML as an ISO standard.</description>
				<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120242867034452081.html?mod=hpp_europe_whats_news">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120242867034452081.html?mod=hpp_europe_whats_news</a></p> <p>(full article requires paid subscription)</p> 
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				<guid>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-30225</guid>
				<title>Promise of OOXML Oversight By ISO Falls Through</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-30225/promise-of-ooxml-oversight-by-iso-falls-through</link>
				<description>Rob Weir reports that MSFT is backtracking on its promise to let ISO have oversight of and possible OOXML standard.</description>
				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>In his Dec 6 blog entry<br /> <a href="http://www.robweir.com/blog/">http://www.robweir.com/blog/</a><br /> reports how Microsoft first promised through many spokespeople that stewardship of OOXML would be handed over to ISO, but "Ecma's "<em>Proposal for a Joint Maintenance Plan" [pdf] outlines quite a different vision for how OOXML will be maintained. A summary of the proposed terms:<br /> * OOXML remains under Ecma (Microsoft) control under Ecma IPR policy.<br /> * Ecma TC45 will accept a liaison from JTC1/SC34 who can participate on maintenance activities and only maintenance activities.<br /> * […]</em>"</p> <p>There are discussions at Groklaw <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071206131310362">http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071206131310362</a> and Slashdot <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/06/2129203">http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/06/2129203</a> on this news.</p> 
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				<title>Rob Weir on the lack of transparency in the OOXML ballot resolution process</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-29637/rob-weir-on-the-lack-of-transparency-in-the-ooxml-ballot-resolution-process</link>
				<description>All info resides on a password protected site accessible to NB-chairperson on request and to NB-members at the descretion of the chairperson. Less than half of all chairpersons have even requested the password.</description>
				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Concerning the "662 responses", <em>Ecma is hosting them on their web site, on a password protected page. The password is made available to NB heads "on request". But so far few NB's have requested the password. You can see here which ones have requested the password and which have not. As of today, only 18 of 51 NB's have requested the password. So 10 weeks months after the comment portal was announced, only 35% of NB's have access to this information.</em></p> <p><em>However, note that of NB chairs that have the password, some are not making the comments available, not even their own committee members. I've heard from a few NB members who explicity requested access to these documents but were denied. Many others were simply unaware that these comment responses were even available. This information is simply not getting out.</em></p> <p>More about the difficulties to getthe info (and a comparison with the ODF process) on<br /> <a href="http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/12/662-resolutions-but-only-if-you-can.html">http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/12/662-resolutions-but-only-if-you-can.html</a></p> 
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				<title>Bob Sutor on the proceedings of the Ballot Resolution Meeting</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-26349/bob-sutor-on-the-proceedings-of-the-ballot-resolution-meeting</link>
				<description>How do ballot resolution meetings at ISO proceed? Who can vote? On what? Bob Sutor answers some of these questions.</description>
				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>In his blog, Bob Sutor addresses some of the Hows and Whats of rules governing the ISO ballot resolution meeting (which is the next step in the OOXML-standardization process).</p> <p><a href="http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1921">http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1921</a></p> <p>This piece is supposed to be the first in a series analyzing the BRM process in detail.</p> 
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				<title>Richard Stallman on OOXML</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-19513/richard-stallman-on-ooxml</link>
				<description>Richard Stallman is known for his strong opinions and sure he has his say on OOXML, too.</description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><a href="http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;211669437;pp;4">http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;211669437;pp;4</a></p> <blockquote> <p>"Microsoft has frequently imposed non-interoperability; now, for example, it promotes the patented bogus "standard" OOXML instead of supporting Open Document Format. Microsoft believes it is so powerful that it can design an incompatible format, create obstacles to its implementation by others, and pressure most users to switch to it. Do you think users are really as foolish as Microsoft predicts?"</p> </blockquote> 
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				<title>France &quot;The commission seems to have already made its mind&quot;</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-15501/france-the-commission-seems-to-have-already-made-its-mind</link>
				<description>In France, AFNOR (French Association for Standarts) is responsible for
the validation as an ISO norm for OpenXML</description>
				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>In France, AFNOR (French Association for Standarts) is responsible for<br /> the validation as an ISO norm for OpenXML</p> <p>The country is also due to choose its own ISO standarts and determine<br /> whether OpenXML and Open DOCUMENT are appropriate for an ISO standart.</p> <p>Frédéric Bon is the chairman of the commission in charge of OpenXML<br /> standart. However, he is also CEO of CLEVER AGE, a French company due to<br /> develop the OpenDocument connector for Office 2007. CLEVER AGE obviously<br /> knows what they're talking about, but Mr Bon is employed by Microsoft<br /> and that raises the question of partiality</p> <p>This commission also welcomes representatives of free softwares like<br /> APRIL (Parisian LUG) or AFUL (French LUG), yet AFNOR has imposed such a<br /> weight of secret that debates lack transparency.</p> <p>It is true that AFNOR has agreed to invite these associations but only<br /> as a foil. Debates are hold without their argumens taken into account.</p> <p>All reports are either wrong or don't take into account the positions<br /> against OpenXML. There's always a good reason to reject them. Government<br /> officials who take part in the debates have no precise instructions from<br /> their minister and don't dare to side for or against the project.</p> <p>The commission seems to have already made its mind.They also act as if<br /> the details stopping OpenXML to be qualified were to be erased.<br /> A decision will be made at the end of August but the die seems already<br /> cast. Microsoft lobbying will eventually succeed if this commission has<br /> no transparency.</p> 
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				<title>OOXML in Ireland</title>
				<link>http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-12484/ooxml-in-ireland</link>
				<description>Ireland, the country of Microsoft Europe, is receiving comments until the 11 July 2007.</description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>See here: <a href="http://www.nsai.ie/index.cfm/area/news/action/article/information/ITofficeopenxml">http://www.nsai.ie/index.cfm/area/news/action/article/information/ITofficeopenxml</a></p> 
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