Brazil says NÃO! http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102/brazil-says-nao Posts in the discussion thread "Brazil says NÃO!" - Brazil's Associação Brasileira de Normas Técnicas (ABNT) understands how the ISO process works: when you have comments, you need to vote No in order to get them considered. As easy as that. Brazil, China, India and many other nations say No with comments. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:19:48 +0000 http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102#post-43148 Re: Brazil says NÃO! http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102/brazil-says-nao#post-43148 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:02:40 +0000 Anonymous I'm French and I m listening the sound of Samba comming in Paris … I love Brazil !!!

]]> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102#post-42982 Re: Brazil says NÃO! http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102/brazil-says-nao#post-42982 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:15:27 +0000 Anonymous I am a German and i fully understand your reason to be proud. For me it already would be enough not to shame, instead of being proud. Congratulations to you for living in a straight and honorious nation. Which my country failed to be.

]]> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102#post-42965 Re: Brazil says NÃO! http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102/brazil-says-nao#post-42965 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:53:28 +0000 Anonymous Enviado diretamente da Alemanha…. parabéns ao vocês (incluindo a ABNT) e desonra para o meu país (incluindo a DIN).
Venceu o país tropical num assunto tecnológico, e já por isso vocês têm todo o direito de vencer no futebol também :)

Josef Spillner

]]> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102#post-42920 Re: Brazil says não http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102/brazil-says-nao#post-42920 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:51:28 +0000 Anonymous Parabems, meus amigos!
Muito bom trabalho de todos!

—
Alberto Barrionuevo.
Vice-Presidente da FFII para Padrões (…Abertos! :o)

]]> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102#post-42881 Re: Brazil says não http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102/brazil-says-nao#post-42881 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:35:48 +0000 podmokle 3547 I think your remarks are a bit overstated. Stay calm. It will be very important that enough nations put forward comments and be tough on Office Open XML Standardisation in the BRM. From my perspective it makes no sense, also for tactical reasons, to say YES. And after all the format is not needed and would get outright rejected by non-partisan experts.

It is interesting to observe how aggressive Microsoft employees get now. We will need to encourage them to get even more aggressive. Emotional arguments are their defense and their excuse is that we were like them.

]]> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102#post-42877 Re: Brazil says não http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102/brazil-says-nao#post-42877 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:23:48 +0000 zphd 32097 *********
I am Brazilian and TODAY I AM VERY PROUD OF BRAZIL.
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While many countries around the world are bending to Microsoft's petty lobby which is shoving the bad OOXML format down their throats and ultimately stealing their freedom and their technological independence, Brazil stood out among them and showed once again that, via ABNT, it has a sound technological decision process for its national standards, promoting worthy technical merits (ODF) over provincial ones (bad sectary locked-in unpolished bigoted M$-OOXML), and resistant even to the dishonest full-hand of a bloated evil megacorporation such as Microsoft.

Brazil is not pwned by M$. Can you say the same of your country???

ODF will also be adopted as the only Brazilian national document format standard as the result of this fantastic decision.

]]> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102#post-42866 Brazil says não http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-17102/brazil-says-nao#post-42866 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:27:55 +0000 podmokle 3547 As found on
http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/08/ooxml-brazil-says-no.html

Brazil will fill the ISO form with a NO and will attach the 63+2 technical comments to it.

Strong criticism of ECMA continues:

I was a member of the technical group that have studied OOXML specification extensively. I learned that it is unbelievable how ECMA … can think that a wannabe spec like OOXML is ready for submission. It is incomplete (does not provide mappings with legacy standards, since compatibility is OOXML goal), too long (6000+ pages), fully tied to a single product, uses deprecated substandards, promotes bad practices (embedded binary objects), has clear proprietary hooks (like “formatAsWord95″ XML tags), reinvents the wheel all around (date and color formats etc), and most of all does not have a standards-grade look and feel required for a universal and (virtually) eternal document format (doesn’t have to be perfect, but can’t be that imperfect).

Mapping with Legacy Standards

A very interesting argument! Compare page xii of the Part1 of the OOXML specifications which mentions the following:

The goal is to enable the implementation of the Office Open XML formats by the widest set of tools and platforms, fostering interoperability across office productivity applications and line-of-business systems, as well as to support and strengthen document archival and preservation, all in a way that is fully compatible with the large existing investments in Microsoft Office documents.

ECMA's justification for a second similar ISO standard is that Open XML maps existing document format features or is "backwards compatible"1 Although the assert was repeated by ECMA and Microsoft several times no mapping of features was provided. No examples were given how ISO 26300:2006 (or future versions) fail to provide that mapping functionality and which precise features it lacks that cannot be added.

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