ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

no to big brother micro$oft

Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:50:55 +0000

open formats are good enough without another new proprietary format from M$.

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:05:25 +0000

Did you get the info from a onkey, only monkeys and idiots refers countries and things as "bananas"

Never you listened to the expression "banana republic"?

If didn't, I suggest you to ask Microsoft for a complete list of them…

//A human.

PS: btw, I understand that with the excitement and passion of the moment, you wanted to write "monkey" instead of "onkey"…

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:10:13 +0000

And there I think we had our first "friendly troll" sighting. Dear 190.52.144.240, while I can certainly agree with your point, as inelegantly put as it was, this forum is not the proper place for immature profanity to express opinion without attempts at motivation. Your post adds nothing to the discussion other than what the domain name says. Contrary to some other forums you might be frequenting, people are actually trying to make sense here. However, please feel free to be more specific as to how one should f*ck OOXML (unless you actually mean that literally, in that case we don't want to know) and in what way ODF ownz.

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:26:24 +0000

those are older, from 2 sept

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:24:51 +0000

It's Cuba, what do you think happened? :-)

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:26:10 +0000

Did you get the info from a onkey, only monkeys and idiots refers countries and things as "bananas"

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:15:47 +0000

ODF ownz, fuck OOXML!

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:10:14 +0000

This process actually has little or nothing to do with democracy or governments. Many countries had procedures which were wide open to exploit, and Microsoft did not even have to think about buying the government, they just needed to stuff enough puppets into a small technical committee in the national standards body. In Sweden, that cost them around €40,000. In some other countries, it was even cheaper. The US was slightly different in that it seems to have done like Poland: when one committee does not vote the way you expect, have another committee ignore them and vote differently. Still, this is not a problem with the government, it is a sign of corruption in the national standards body - a much smaller, less open and much more vulnerable system which was unprepared for this kind of tactics.

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:26:43 +0000

Certainly a victory for everyone involved, who have worked hard to overcome what at times seems unsurmountable odds, only to protect the quality, heritage of ISO and what it stands for.

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:52:55 +0000

Association of free Software of Ecuador ASLE www.asle.ec impulse No to openxml

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:13:56 +0000

Cuban NC responsible confirmed twice to FFII (today and Monday) that they voted "AGAINST" DIS 29500 and that they checked the registry of ISO.
They are now checking what has happened.

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:50:01 +0000

This document …

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddzgv9cv_1gkb7rm

shows the original P countries that has "positively" approved DIS
29500… side by side with the other countries that didn't give a
blank check to it ( abstained or dissaproval ). This document excludes
the 11 NBs that changed suddenly and suspiciously his condition for O
to P members.

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:55:46 +0000

The results are also here:

http://www.noooxml.org/ballotresults

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:47:00 +0000

I don't have the full details, but from their mailing list, it seems like there were a lot of open-source advocates in their committee.

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:08:42 +0000

Yes, the US is right to be placed among those countries, with such a corrupt government system: corporate lobbying.

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:46:16 +0000

I guess the US classifies prefectly in that "dictatorships and banana republics" category as well?

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:24:11 +0000

Libya voted NO with comments. Despite strong pressure from Microsoft partners to Vote yes with comments. I don't see Libya listed in the table above.

Hassan

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:28:13 +0000

Interesting here is Ecuador, who joined late to vote "no". What's their story? And my hat off to Trinidad & Tobago, who showed enough balls to say that they could not possibly form an opinion in this short time, despite Microsoft putting a pressure on them to vote "yes".

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:41:03 +0000

"Strong Global Support for Open XML"

I guess this is Microsoft-speak for "we managed to buy various dictatorships and banana republics like Barbados, Fiji, Kazakhstan etc. around the world to vote yes"

Re: ISO records a "NO" vote on OOXML

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:37:30 +0000

A few more mathematics :
- Total votes : 87 (51 Yes, 18 No, 18 Abstain)

This can be decomposed as follows :
- Original JTC1 P-Members: 30 ( 8 Yes, 14 No, 8 Abstain)
- Other ISO Member Bodies: 57 (43 Yes, 4 No, 10 Abstain)

I call "Original JTC1 P-Members" those registered as Participant Members at the end of the contradiction period. By definition, the 57 other voters were not Participants to the process until very recently…

Again, we clearly see from where the overwhelming support to OOXML is coming !

Luc Bollen