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		<title>Deterrment as a means of gaining DIS 29500 industry support</title>
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		<description>Posts in the discussion thread &quot;Deterrment as a means of gaining DIS 29500 industry support&quot; - Why not threaten the ODF proponents to potentially torture an existing international standard for document formats, ISO 26300:2006? Would that make the Microsoft&#039;s epigonal format OOXML more &quot;shiny and fun&quot; and thus attractive for ISO standardization?</description>
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				<title>Re: Deterrment as a means of gaining DIS 29500 industry support</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>Consider that it requires 2/3 approval of JTC1 P members to approve a standard. Microsoft, by various means, has managed to achieve very close to that number. They are only 5 short.</p> </blockquote> <p>Yet Microsoft could still not get OOXML through the fast-track process, which would be a pretty good indication of how broken this proposed specification is. Despite this, DIS29500 will no doubt be accepted as by the ISO; a pretty clear message that Microsoft may lose the battle but they won't lose the war.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Deterrment as a means of gaining DIS 29500 industry support</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Don't send DOCX files to your friends, they will get infected with the new Microsoft disease named "BuyOffice2k7"</p> 
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				<title>Deterrment as a means of gaining DIS 29500 industry support</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Stephen McGibbon (Microsoft) <a href="http://notes2self.net/archive/2008/02/20/odf-1-2-roadmap-per-rob-weir.aspx">threatenes the future of the existing ISO standard ISO 26300:2006</a> with diplomatic wording:</p> <blockquote> <p>As I commented recently, I expect that ODF 1.2 <strong>will get much more attention from the National Standards Bodies than the original version did.</strong> I also expect ODF will <strong>benefit from much of the learning</strong> everyone's had as DIS29500 has progressed.</p> </blockquote> <p>As <a href="http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/12/bait-and-switch.html">Rob Weir from IBM pointed out before</a> Microsoft raised <strong>an army to own ISO</strong> (and ISO seems to be perfectly fine with that, <a href="http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-30107">Mr. Bryan aside</a>)</p> <blockquote> <p>It is a scary proposition. I don’t think people understand how much Microsoft now owns JTC1 in a very real and tangible way. Absolutely owns.<br /> Consider that it requires 2/3 approval of JTC1 P members to approve a standard. Microsoft, by various means, has managed to achieve very close to that number. They are only 5 short. If they achieve that 2/3 then they can ram through whatever standards they want.</p> <p>But that scary part is that with even 1/3 of P-members, a number they clearly outright own, they can block anyone else’s standard. It probably hasn’t sunk into your realization yet,but Microsoft can essentially already erected toll bridge in ISO and demand payment or other concessions from anyone who wants to work with International Standards. If ISO rules get in the way, Microsoft can change them. If ISO administrators get in the way — no worry. With this number of NB’s Microsoft can control directives, staffing, paychecks, etc.<br /> <strong>They’ve raised an army. You don’t think they will use it?</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>Esp. scary are the remarks of the ODF editor <a href="http://www.durusau.net/publications/OpenXMLPosterChild.pdf">Patrick Durusau which either reflect a Stockholm syndrome or a hostile takeover -- or both</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>OpenXML has progressed from being developed in a closed environment to being handed over to <strong>approximately 70% of the world's population</strong> for future development so <strong>I am missing the "not open" aspect of OpenXML</strong>. If anything, the improvements made to OpenXML during that process make it <strong>a poster child for the open standards development process</strong>.</p> </blockquote> <p>Poster child? <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364385/">That one</a>?</p> 
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