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		<title>&quot;Abstain from voting&quot;</title>
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				<title>Re: &quot;Abstain from voting&quot;</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Good news: <a href="http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-49243/lost-in-translation">the English translation was dirty and wrong</a>. Tomasz Schweitzer indeed recommended to "vote abstain". This turns Tomasz Schweitzer from a Saul into a Paul. Thanks for clarification.</p> <p>Anyway: You should be aware that it is very important that your nation <strong>submits a vote</strong>.</p> 
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				<title>&quot;Abstain from voting&quot;</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><a href="http://polishlinux.org/poland/no-consensus-over-ooxml-in-poland-yet/">Polishlinux reports</a>: No consensus over OOXML in Poland, yet, addendum 25 March:</p> <blockquote> <p>A letter from Tomasz Schweitzer, president of PKN has been published[1]. In it, Schweitzer asks KT 182 to "abstain from voting" in case of not achieving a consensus over OOXML during the meeting.</p> </blockquote> <p>And in the letter Schweitzer suggested:</p> <blockquote> <p>"[…]Polish stance on OOXML should be a result of a consensus, that is no significant opposition from any interestedparty. I believe that in the existing situation, <strong>the most fair and neutral decision KT 182 could make is to abstain from voting.</strong> I would like to however emphasize once again that the final decision belongs to the committee."</p> </blockquote> <p>Evil! <strong>"Abstain from voting" means no new vote will get submitted, so the September vote will be carried!</strong> In the case of Poland it was an <strong>approval vote</strong> for the OOOXML standard with comments attached. Yes, Poland felt it could support the approval of a standard candidate that got more than 2300 pages of dispositions of comments. And now the logic I fail to get is: if we fail to approve we do nothing and carry the previous approval vote. ISO procudures sometimes feel like a witch test.</p> <p><strong>"Abstain from voting" != submission of an "Abstain" vote.</strong></p> <p>I wonder why Poland should not say: No, we want a real abstain vote to get submitted! Or a real disapproval <a href="http://www.noooxml.org/open:rejectooxmlnow">because this is the only appropriate voting decision</a> in the interest of Poland that deserves persons in the committee who play fair and recognize the facts. OOXML is no ready to become an ISO standard, yet. Not even close.</p> <blockquote> <p>The fun part is that apparently the members of the committee have not been shown the letter before the actual voting (unconfirmed, but highly likely to be true, according to a source close to KT 182).</p> </blockquote> <p>More fun to come! After all it's voting time again.</p> 
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