Germany as the new Portugal?
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According to a Groklaw article Germany could be a new Portugal. It says that Google and Deutsche Telekom were not allowed to vote at DIN.
Germany as the new Portugal?
podmoklepodmokle 1188043731|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Groklaw reports that Germany could be a new Portugal:

It looks like Germany is the new Portugal, actually. You do remember how in Portugal IBM and Sun were not allowed in the room because it was allegedly "too small" despite having empty chairs? Well, in Germany, Google and Deutsche Telekom were allowed in the room but were not allowed to vote, heise says. Something about allegedly signing up too late and how they might not know enough about the issues therefore. This is turning into a not-so-funny joke.

And Schürmann, Frauenhofer, a lab partner of Microsoft voted "YES with Comments", the reason given for that it quite interesting

Schürmann voted to approve “with comments”, in order not to have to call up to the steering committee and avoid further delay.

In a press release Schürmann offered to participate in the ECMA TC45 forum and help Microsoft to solve the issues. His institution is a Non-For-Profit member of ECMA.

Google: on multiple standards

The Groklaw also reports about Google's position. To single one issue out, Microsoft supporters insisted that "multiple standards" are beneficial and they even found a well respected researcher who did a study that claimed that "multiple standards" make sense. The good old ISC "choice" message. This is what Google has to say:

Aren't multiple document standards good?
We have PDF and HTML, so why not ODF and OOXML? Multiple standards are good, but only if they are designed to address different problems. HTML is a very simple mark-up language designed for rendering within browsers, while PDF is a display-only format designed for high-fidelity print output. ODF and OOXML are both designed as a format for editable documents. As such they both address the same problem and almost completely overlap. The current state of file formats for editable documents makes life very difficult for consumers and vendors of office productivity software, and is a looming disaster for long-term document storage. Having two mutually incompatible formats for editable documents will allow the current noninteroperable state of affairs to continue.

Google answers: OOXML is a perfectly good ISO standard. Isn't this just complaining by other vendors?

In developing standards, as in other engineering processes, it is a bad idea to reinvent the wheel. The OOXML standard document is 6546 pages long. The ODF standard, which achieves the same goal, is only 867 pages. The reason for this is that ODF references other existing ISO standards for such things as date specifications, math formula markup and many other needs of an office document format standard. OOXML invents its own versions of these existing standards, which is unnecessary and complicates the final standard. If ISO were to give OOXML with its 6546 pages the same level of review that other standards have seen, it would take 18 years (6576 days for 6546 pages) to achieve comparable levels of review to the existing ODF standard (871 days for 867 pages) which achieves the same purpose and is thus a good comparison. Considering that OOXML has only received about 5.5% of the review that comparable standards have undergone, reports about inconsistencies, contradictions and missing information are hardly surprising.

unfold Germany as the new Portugal? by podmoklepodmokle, 1188043731|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Anonymous (87.114.156.x) 1188045483|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Should that not say ODF is a perfectly good ISO standard?

unfold Re: Germany as the new Portugal? by Anonymous (87.114.156.x), 1188045483|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Re: Germany as the new Portugal?
podmoklepodmokle 1188047713|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

OOXML can not survive an unbiased review. When you talk to standard office staff they laugh when they listen to the "multiple standards are fine" claims. And the whole argument behind OOXML, that it is backwards compatible, is flawed. We already have a high-developed standard for the same purpose, and Microsoft should adopt it rather than to push OOXML with all means to obstruct ODF adoption.

Sure, ODF is after their monopoly and will enable more application competition. And guess what: MS Office support for ODF is in the making. And if their converters are so good, why don't they use them to support the true international standard: ISO 26300

unfold Re: Germany as the new Portugal? by podmoklepodmokle, 1188047713|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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stegustegu 1188056074|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

They are not defending the view that OOXML is good, they are criticizing it, so it's a sort of FAQ style headline. But I agree, the choice of words is a bit confusing.

unfold Re: Germany as the new Portugal? by stegustegu, 1188056074|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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