First World Wide Format War - the Map
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The FFII's Spanish OpenXML.info site has a new map showing the voting results across the globe.
First World Wide Format War - the Map
pieterhpieterh 1188807972|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Thanks to Alberto Barrionuevo, who's been tracking the votes as they come in, and putting them onto a world map, we have the map of the First World Wide Format War. In red, the countries that bent to Microsoft's persuasive arguments. In green, those that resisted. We wait for the last few votes to be announced.

Over the next months, expect the map to change! Microsoft will be lobbying the green countries very heavily to get them to change their vote. Whatever country you're in, today is a great day to write a letter to your national board expressing your support for open standards and your desire to see the 300-plus bugs in the Microsoft format, as well as its patent problems, fixed before it is reconsidered for a vote.

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stegustegu 1188813455|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Whatever country you're in, today is a great day to write a letter to your national board

Unless, of course, you live in a country where the vote was "abstain" (like me, I'm from Sweden). In that case, your NB has defeated their right to participate in the further process and has no further voice in ISO in this matter.

But you can still make a difference by getting involved in international efforts such as the one represented by this website. I trust that concerned people from Australia, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Spain, Italy, Hungary, Netherlands, Argentina, Chile and other "abstain" countries will continue to care about this issue and not just cave in to the indecision of their NB. I know I will keep at it, despite SIS not reaching the vote we were expecting before the irregularities set in.

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Anonymous (62.85.86.x) 1188820997|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Latvia voted NO with comments (I got this news from my colegue from Latvia Open Source Association). We aren't P-member, but anyway, this is good, because I helped to form comments for disscussion.

Peter.

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Anonymous (148.87.1.x) 1188832111|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Ireland changed from an abstain to a dissapprove with comments:
http://www.nsai.ie/index.cfm/area/news/action/article/information/xml

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Anonymous (130.225.2.x) 1188818924|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Wasn't Norway a no?

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Anonymous (130.225.2.x) 1188819061|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Ah - I see. It is a no. The pirate flag fooled me.

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Anonymous (195.158.181.x) 1188822238|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

According to this report there have also been serious irregularities in Denmark.

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Anonymous (143.4.12.x) 1188822388|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Unless, of course, you live in a country where the vote was "abstain" (like me, I'm from Sweden). In that case, your NB has defeated their right to participate in the further process and has no further voice in ISO in this matter.

actually, this is not the case, read the words of the BRM convenor:

"
#Alex Brown | 16 August 2007 at 5:43 pm
@John,

On a point of process detail, ISO have clarified that a "vote" of
abstention in the five-month ballot will allow a country to attend the
BRM, where that vote may be changed to either yes or no…

- Alex."

( http://doyoulovems.com/archives/69#comment-93 )

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stegustegu 1188829599|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

On a point of process detail, ISO have clarified that a "vote" of abstention in the five-month ballot will allow a country to attend the BRM, where that vote may be changed to either yes or no…

Yay! So now we can get to work and make sure the newcomers in the Swedish committee read up on the standard and actually consider what they are voting for, not just blindly follow Microsoft's lead. Thanks for that piece of information, now I know I can do something locally!

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Anonymous (195.225.107.x) 1188827535|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I suggest it present also P-members and O-members status

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Anonymous (194.29.137.x) 1188832949|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Poland submitted 'YES with comments' vote to ISO - http://polishlinux.org/poland/poland-vote-for-microsoft-ooxml/

Re: Vote from Trinidad and Tobago
Anonymous (201.238.90.x) 1188833495|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

On August 24th the Trinidad and Tobago committie unanimously voted to abstain. We could not muster the resources to properly evaluate such a large standard in such a short time.

However, Microsoft asked for another meeting. This meeting was held on the 27th. I do not know if they managed to change the committee's position so I do not know what the final vote will be.

I feel that the TTBS may have been used in this regard as we have only just upgraded to P status. I suspect that we were expected to vote Yes.

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Anonymous (80.224.2.x) 1188836233|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Please, write me confidentially to explain me the situation in detail and your data: abarrio(@)ffii·org
I'm in charge of the OpenXML campaign for Latin America and Caribbean and collecting all the irregularities on the region.

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Anonymous (81.249.42.x) 1188837916|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

France votes No with comments.

Link :http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-open-xml-la-france-dit-non-23833.html

Translation : "No with comments, this is the position of France on OOXML. AFNOR, ISO NB for France, just made the results available after two storm sessions held on august 28 and 29. France joins the ranks of No voters, with India, Denmark, New-Zealand, Norway and Brazil".

-Stephane Rodriguez

PS : there was actually no vote. The consensus was 70% against OOXML based on a preliminary phase that allowed many actors of the industry to provide feedback directly to AFNOR. On august 28 and 29, Microsoft and their business partners wanted to object this, presumably they wanted a vote. Also, no less than 93 companies sent non-technical letters in favor of OOXML on behalf of Microsoft (companies such as Caisse D'epargne, …). AFNOR has not disclosed whether those non-technical letters have had any effect on the position.

PS 2 : the president of committee in AFNOR was no other than CleverAge, Microsoft contractor who worked on a (useless and broken) file format converter for Microsoft. Many of their partners were part of the voting committee (again, the vote did not occur, ultimately), including AFDEL (pro-software patent org, funded by Microsoft and BSA), Wygwam (Microsoft regional director), SoftFluent (ex-Microsoft), Microsoft France, …

PS 3 : according to the AFNOR mailing list, Microsoft is reported to try to destroy comments against OOXML that were pushed by industry in the preliminary phase. My guess is that they are trying to reduce the effect of the No vote as much as they can.

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Anonymous (172.17.100.x) 1188875771|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

According to the map, Antartica has abstained?

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podmoklepodmokle 1188903848|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yes, I am not so sure about San Marino?!

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Anonymous (195.244.162.x) 1189004989|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The map is a nice idea BUT gives a wrong impression of success for the YES to OOXML. It would be more accurate and scientific to correlate the YES and the NO to the number of inhabitants of the related countries, or to the number of inhabitants that have access to a computer. In the first case it makes:

abstain: 393,549,780 inhabitants
no: 3,252,323,818 inhabitants
yes: 1,379,994,887 inhabitants

Feel better ?

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