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Did you get the info from a onkey, only monkeys and idiots refers countries and things as "bananas"

Did you get the info from a onkey, only monkeys and idiots refers countries and things as "bananas"

Never you listened to the expression "banana republic"?

If didn't, I suggest you to ask Microsoft for a complete list of them…

//A human.

PS: btw, I understand that with the excitement and passion of the moment, you wanted to write "monkey" instead of "onkey"…

Geez, my head is spinning like a gyro on steroids.

Fifty-one ISO members voicing support at this
preliminary stage of the process compares favorably with the 32 ISO members
supporting Open Document Format (ODF) 1.0 at the end of its process and the
15 ISO members supporting PDF/A-1 at the end of its process.

That is definitely putting a good spin on a bad one. How many members voted when ODF and PDF was approved? With how many comments?

Hurray, we got 10 000 comments in fast-track… ;-)

That press release is simply laughable, twisting the truth to the extreme. They completely fail to mention that almost half of the qualified P-member votes were negative, and that many more members voted "no" for OOXML than in the ODF ballot which was 100% positive. They also say that "most countries expressed their willingness to approve the standard once their comments are addressed". Taken literally, this would actually translate to "most countries voted 'no' ". This was not the case, but note that this particular phrase is a spin they could have put on it regardless of the result of vote - even if it had failed with 100% majority. Someone at MS must think this is clever, but I think it's pathetic.

I think FFII should counter this with a press release saying "Strong global opposition to Open XML as it hits trouble for the final phase of ISO standards process". This ugly spin should not be allowed to stand undisputed.

Also, the recent damage control strategy from Microsoft bloggers to say "we appreciate all the constructive comments" is just silly. Someone even said "I haven't seen too many of the comments yet, but those I have seen will probably not be too difficult to address". Unless the plan here is that "address" means "ignore", I definitely see a large number of fundamental comments that will be very difficult to accommodate, even among those submitted very early in the voting process.

"Strong Global Support for Open XML"

I guess this is Microsoft-speak for "we managed to buy various dictatorships and banana republics like Barbados, Fiji, Kazakhstan etc. around the world to vote yes"

I guess the US classifies prefectly in that "dictatorships and banana republics" category as well?

Yes, the US is right to be placed among those countries, with such a corrupt government system: corporate lobbying.

This process actually has little or nothing to do with democracy or governments. Many countries had procedures which were wide open to exploit, and Microsoft did not even have to think about buying the government, they just needed to stuff enough puppets into a small technical committee in the national standards body. In Sweden, that cost them around €40,000. In some other countries, it was even cheaper. The US was slightly different in that it seems to have done like Poland: when one committee does not vote the way you expect, have another committee ignore them and vote differently. Still, this is not a problem with the government, it is a sign of corruption in the national standards body - a much smaller, less open and much more vulnerable system which was unprepared for this kind of tactics.

More than that by the ISO rules no votes take precedence over yes votes - if 25% of P countries vote no the result is a fail even if 66% vote yes. So it is 12 votes (I think at current P country count) saying no that will cause this to fail again at the BRM if it takes place even if they manage to get 66% yes.

It's not over 'til it's over. Who knows, maybe they'll "pull a Hungary" and suddenly decide to base the vote on 50% plus one instead of 2/3.

if 25% of P countries vote no the result is a fail even if 66% vote yes.

This is wrong. The 25% concerns the total number of "no" votes, the 2/3 majority is for "yes" votes from P-members only.
Andy Updegrove has a good blog post on the process, and I also summarized it in another thread here.

A Jamaica coalition of support. Jamaica, Fiji, Costa Rica…

The vote from Germany is missing.

whrer are all of you taking all the info? pleae plase pla se!!! tell me!!! ty.

The frontpage picture does not reflect these votes at all.
it looks like a lot of the votes are not in that picture yet.

Participating members: 40% (16) approve, 37.5% (15) disapprove
All above: 58.62% (51) approve, 20.69% (18) disapprove

But what about countries such as Zimbabwe and Uzbekistan? Aren't they O-Members?

MK

Cuba approved? I read somewhere a while ago that the Cuban government was migrating to Linux desktops… Strange, indeed

Cuban NC responsible confirmed twice to FFII (today and Monday) that they voted "AGAINST" DIS 29500 and that they checked the registry of ISO.
They are now checking what has happened.

It's Cuba, what do you think happened? :-)

those are older, from 2 sept

I don't have the full details, but from their mailing list, it seems like there were a lot of open-source advocates in their committee.

Association of free Software of Ecuador ASLE www.asle.ec impulse No to openxml